Comments on: Greed: Taxes http://thesins.blogsome.com/2007/09/28/greed-taxes/ Life expressed as sins Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:43:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: Sinner http://thesins.blogsome.com/2007/09/28/greed-taxes/#comment-652 Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:42:52 +0100 http://thesins.blogsome.com/2007/09/28/greed-taxes/#comment-652 Did you read this argument? I don't care a wit about the Oil Supply or lack thereof... What I care about is energy security and cutting off the lifeblood of terrorists. Liberals/Conservatives...whatev... Blame whomever you will. The fact is that the more oil we buy from the Magic Kingdom the less freedom and security we have. It is sort of odd that as soon as you say "Renewable" or "Biofuel" skimmers lump you in the envirowhackjobs... Did you read this argument?

I don’t care a wit about the Oil Supply or lack thereof…

What I care about is energy security and cutting off the lifeblood of terrorists.

Liberals/Conservatives…whatev… Blame whomever you will. The fact is that the more oil we buy from the Magic Kingdom the less freedom and security we have.

It is sort of odd that as soon as you say “Renewable” or “Biofuel” skimmers lump you in the envirowhackjobs…

]]> by: mickey http://thesins.blogsome.com/2007/09/28/greed-taxes/#comment-651 Wed, 03 Oct 2007 22:06:28 +0100 http://thesins.blogsome.com/2007/09/28/greed-taxes/#comment-651 We aren't addicted to OIL any more than we are addicted to Orange Juice. We WANT ENERGY to live the FREE LIVES that America used to stand for. Liberals have hijacked this issue and have fooled the less intelligent among us. There is plenty of OIL. So lets dispense with the "ADDICTED TO" bullshit. Shall we. So now that we've determined that there is PLENTY O'OIL. Lets get that oil to cover our wants and needs. There is nothing wrong with finding new/renewable/alternative/clean/warm and fuzzy sources of energy. The truth here, is that the left wants to win. YOU CANNOT DRIVE A JEEP. And they distort the issue. And you've bought their bullshit. We aren’t addicted to OIL any more than we are addicted to Orange Juice. We WANT ENERGY to live the FREE LIVES that America used to stand for. Liberals have hijacked this issue and have fooled the less intelligent among us.
There is plenty of OIL. So lets dispense with the “ADDICTED TO” bullshit. Shall we. So now that we’ve determined that there is PLENTY O’OIL. Lets get that oil to cover our wants and needs. There is nothing wrong with finding new/renewable/alternative/clean/warm and fuzzy sources of energy. The truth here, is that the left wants to win. YOU CANNOT DRIVE A JEEP. And they distort the issue. And you’ve bought their bullshit.

]]> by: Sinner http://thesins.blogsome.com/2007/09/28/greed-taxes/#comment-650 Tue, 02 Oct 2007 20:15:02 +0100 http://thesins.blogsome.com/2007/09/28/greed-taxes/#comment-650 I see that and agree. Its also the kind of tax that politicians should be able to get behind and sell, as long as they don't say that the aim is to raise oil prices in order to curb use. Giving incentive (no import tax) to domestic producers is also a good idea. Maybe we can get the oil shale/sand fields a go or better yet figure out how to get to an all diesel fleet and use the Nazi technology to convert coal to diesel fuel. (Sen. Byrd, your earmarks are calling to you in WV) Though, I would be in favor of any tax that would be high enough to actually change behaviors and perceptions about oil use. Just sayin' I see that and agree.

Its also the kind of tax that politicians should be able to get behind and sell, as long as they don’t say that the aim is to raise oil prices in order to curb use. Giving incentive (no import tax) to domestic producers is also a good idea. Maybe we can get the oil shale/sand fields a go or better yet figure out how to get to an all diesel fleet and use the Nazi technology to convert coal to diesel fuel. (Sen. Byrd, your earmarks are calling to you in WV)

Though, I would be in favor of any tax that would be high enough to actually change behaviors and perceptions about oil use.

Just sayin’

]]> by: cathyf http://thesins.blogsome.com/2007/09/28/greed-taxes/#comment-649 Tue, 02 Oct 2007 11:29:44 +0100 http://thesins.blogsome.com/2007/09/28/greed-taxes/#comment-649 Wrong kind of tax. The right kind of tax is a tariff on imported oil. You can quite reasonably argue that the per-gallon fuel taxes that we have now that we use for building roads are more user fees than taxes. Even when you use the tax money for public transport it has a user fee component -- you, as a driver, are paying to get other people off the road so you can use it. An import tariff is a different kind of user fee. It says, "hey, we gotta pay all this money to defend ourselves against Islamic nutcases, so if you want to use that oil you should have to pay a user fee. A user fee that you shouldn't have to pay if you are using ethanol from midwestern corn (or from Brazilian sugar cane!) or oil from Texas or Alaska, etc. If you raise the price of foreign oil, you make it economically viable to bring to market more domestic oil. And make it economically viable to bring Alaskan oil to market with the very best of environmental protections. But most importantly, the import tariffs force the pre-tariff prices down (by forcing down demand) while putting more money in the US government's pocket. Money which is a partial user fee on the US military which is protecting us from the nutcases. As opposed to raising the price of oil and putting more money in the pockets of those who are <i>funding</i> the nutcases. Wrong kind of tax. The right kind of tax is a tariff on imported oil. You can quite reasonably argue that the per-gallon fuel taxes that we have now that we use for building roads are more user fees than taxes. Even when you use the tax money for public transport it has a user fee component — you, as a driver, are paying to get other people off the road so you can use it.

An import tariff is a different kind of user fee. It says, “hey, we gotta pay all this money to defend ourselves against Islamic nutcases, so if you want to use that oil you should have to pay a user fee. A user fee that you shouldn’t have to pay if you are using ethanol from midwestern corn (or from Brazilian sugar cane!) or oil from Texas or Alaska, etc. If you raise the price of foreign oil, you make it economically viable to bring to market more domestic oil. And make it economically viable to bring Alaskan oil to market with the very best of environmental protections.

But most importantly, the import tariffs force the pre-tariff prices down (by forcing down demand) while putting more money in the US government’s pocket. Money which is a partial user fee on the US military which is protecting us from the nutcases. As opposed to raising the price of oil and putting more money in the pockets of those who are funding the nutcases.

]]> by: Machinist http://thesins.blogsome.com/2007/09/28/greed-taxes/#comment-648 Mon, 01 Oct 2007 01:32:33 +0100 http://thesins.blogsome.com/2007/09/28/greed-taxes/#comment-648 If Western civilization does not cut it's throat then fusion power will be the basis of terrestrial civilization in the future (solar will power civilization in space, but not to a major extent on Earth). Fusion power should be clean, safe, with effectively limitless fuel. Even if sea water must be processed to separate deuterium and tritium, with cheap, plentiful power this is just a matter of scale. With this in hand even clean synthetic fuels can be produced without the wasteful plant cycle. This will make Sinner's alternate fuels practical. If Western civilization does not cut it’s throat then fusion power will be the basis of terrestrial civilization in the future (solar will power civilization in space, but not to a major extent on Earth). Fusion power should be clean, safe, with effectively limitless fuel. Even if sea water must be processed to separate deuterium and tritium, with cheap, plentiful power this is just a matter of scale. With this in hand even clean synthetic fuels can be produced without the wasteful plant cycle. This will make Sinner’s alternate fuels practical.

]]> by: sillyblindharper http://thesins.blogsome.com/2007/09/28/greed-taxes/#comment-647 Mon, 01 Oct 2007 00:10:35 +0100 http://thesins.blogsome.com/2007/09/28/greed-taxes/#comment-647 I think Energy tech is cool! It's a sci-geek dream...fusion, technology, what's not to like? Of course, I've never been good at predicting what the average folk find interesting. Still, we don't need the average folk, just the exceptional. The innovators. The restless. You may call me Pollyanna, heh I think Energy tech is cool! It’s a sci-geek dream…fusion, technology, what’s not to like? Of course, I’ve never been good at predicting what the average folk find interesting.
Still, we don’t need the average folk, just the exceptional. The innovators. The restless.

You may call me Pollyanna, heh

]]> by: Machinist http://thesins.blogsome.com/2007/09/28/greed-taxes/#comment-646 Sun, 30 Sep 2007 02:06:37 +0100 http://thesins.blogsome.com/2007/09/28/greed-taxes/#comment-646 We have vast deposits of coal and oil shale in this country. It might be more practical to build cleaner burning power plants for these than to develop alt.fuels, at least for the short and medium term. When private industry is given the right incentives and guidelines the results can be astounding. The F-16 and F-18 were a product of the late 60's early 70s state of the art. The manufacturers were given a blank slate and told to use the latest technology, methods, and materials to produce a plane with the highest performance at the least cost. These are still front line fighters around the world forty years later. Imagine a WW2 P-51 Mustang being a leading air superiority fighter in the mid 1980s. Capitalism and free enterprise rule. That potential should be saddled instead of yoked. We have vast deposits of coal and oil shale in this country. It might be more practical to build cleaner burning power plants for these than to develop alt.fuels, at least for the short and medium term.

When private industry is given the right incentives and guidelines the results can be astounding. The F-16 and F-18 were a product of the late 60’s early 70s state of the art. The manufacturers were given a blank slate and told to use the latest technology, methods, and materials to produce a plane with the highest performance at the least cost. These are still front line fighters around the world forty years later. Imagine a WW2 P-51 Mustang being a leading air superiority fighter in the mid 1980s. Capitalism and free enterprise rule. That potential should be saddled instead of yoked.

]]> by: Machinist http://thesins.blogsome.com/2007/09/28/greed-taxes/#comment-645 Sun, 30 Sep 2007 01:03:31 +0100 http://thesins.blogsome.com/2007/09/28/greed-taxes/#comment-645 I think alternate fuels are worth pursuing but biofuel takes too much fossil fuel to produce and there isn't enough surplus raw material to replace a practical amount of fossil fuel. Ocean farming may have future potential. I think alternate fuels are worth pursuing but biofuel takes too much fossil fuel to produce and there isn’t enough surplus raw material to replace a practical amount of fossil fuel. Ocean farming may have future potential.

]]> by: Sinner http://thesins.blogsome.com/2007/09/28/greed-taxes/#comment-644 Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:02:52 +0100 http://thesins.blogsome.com/2007/09/28/greed-taxes/#comment-644 X-Prize is a very cool idea, but I fear that the reason many have chased it was because it was "sexy" and "cool". I'm told that only I think altfuels is "sexy" and "cool"... X-Prize is a very cool idea, but I fear that the reason many have chased it was because it was “sexy” and “cool”. I’m told that only I think altfuels is “sexy” and “cool”…

]]> by: sillyblindharper http://thesins.blogsome.com/2007/09/28/greed-taxes/#comment-643 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:17:32 +0100 http://thesins.blogsome.com/2007/09/28/greed-taxes/#comment-643 I'd love to see something like the X-Prize and the Methuselah Mouse Project started for energy and publicized. I’d love to see something like the X-Prize and the Methuselah Mouse Project started for energy and publicized.

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